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Breaking Down Huberman Lab Performance Cooling Episode

Jason Rulo • Mar 30, 2023

Thermal Regulation for Performance: Understanding the Best Ways To Heat or Cool the Body

I recently came across a Huberman Lab podcast from early 2022 where he discussed proper thermal regulation for performance. While some of the information provided was accurate, other aspects were misleading or simply incorrect. In this article, I will examine some of the key points made in the podcast and provide a more in-depth look at the science of thermoregulation.


The primary focus of this episode suggested that the optimal locations for heat loss or gain are the face, palms of the hands, and bottoms of the feet. While there is some truth to this statement, it is important to note that this approach may not be effective in all situations. For example, if someone is dangerously overheating and needs to cool down quickly, submerging them in cold water may be the most effective method. While putting a cold towel on the face or palms of the hands may be maximally effective per unit of heat loss, it may not be the fastest way to cool down someone who is suffering from life-threatening hyperthermia.


In terms of trying to raise or lower the core body temperature, placing an ice pack or a heat pack on the face, palms of the hands, or bottoms of the feet may be the most effective method per square inch and/or if those are the only areas where you have access. However, using these areas may or may not be the best way to warm the body depending on the situation. The basic laws of thermodynamics state that exposing the largest possible surface area of the body to cold or warm temperatures will allow for the greatest amount of conductive heat transfer. Huberman actually states that “submerging the body in cold water is not the most effective way to cool the body because of vasoconstriction.” This is only partially correct. While the body will shunt blood from the skin in an attempt to protect itself, the skin itself is 70% water and the largest organ of the body. The exposure of all of this water to a cold surface will suck the heat out of a large area at one time, so this is obviously a very effective means of cooling, which, coincidentally, is also why cold water is so dangerous.


Now, if you look at the reverse of this situation, if you take a person who is hypothermic, exposure to warm water submersion is actually quite dangerous as it could lead to a condition called afterdrop. This is where the body actually relaxes the vasoconstriction safety mechanism and sends blood to the skin, which is cold from all the cold exposure. This low temperature of the skin then quickly drops the temperature of the returning blood, resulting in a quick drop in core body temperature. The key to all of this is understanding that the temperature of the water in the skin (as well as the person’s overall hydration levels) have a large effect on the body’s ability to thermoregulate, not simply its exposure of certain areas to cold or warm surfaces.


The idea when utilizing a device such as The Neptune is to help prevent the cooling or warming of the body right from the get-go rather than waiting to react after the fact. There is also an element of convenience which needs to be addressed when talking about athletes or active individuals trying to maintain core body temperature. We do live in the real world and not in a lab, so one needs to be realistic when attempting to figure out the best ways to go about this process.


Another factor to consider, which Huberman fails to address at all, is the ingestion of warm or cool liquids or foods. This is one of the fastest ways to heat or cool the body. If someone is cold, giving them warm liquids or food will help to rewarm them quickly. Similarly, if someone is overheating, giving them cool liquids or foods can help to cool them down. This method was not even mentioned during the podcast, and I'm not really sure why.


He also spends some time discussing endurance racing, but this is where most of his arguments fall apart. I will spare you a lengthy explanation of all the factors where simply utilizing the palmer and face cooling method might be effective in a lab but would be much less so out in the real world where the environment is constantly changing. I will mention these as food for thought, knowing that the body's most effective method for heat loss is convection (evaporation). Then the environment's humidity level plays a role as does airflow (are you running into the wind versus a tailwind). Whether or not the sun is out will affect radiative heat transfer from the sun, which is also important. As an athlete, you would need to understand all of these factors to help control your body's temperature.


In conclusion, while the Huberman podcast provided some useful information about thermal regulation for performance, it is important to understand that there are many factors to consider when trying to regulate body temperature. Understanding the environment that you will be in and all the avenues in which your body can lose and retain heat can play a huge role in not only your comfortability but also in your optimal performance. Submerging someone in cold water may be the most effective method for cooling down someone who is dangerously overheating, but the reverse is most certainly not what you want to do if hypothermia is the issue. Utilizing the methods that focus on the palms of the hands, bottoms of the feet, and keeping the face warm may be effective for rewarming slowly. In addition, the ingestion of warm liquids or foods can be a fast and effective way to bring the body temperature back up. This Huberman Lab episode mainly focuses on the effects of cooling the body to optimize performance, but there are two sides to this problem. By understanding these factors, you can better prepare yourself for situations where thermal regulation is important for performance. This article is not meant to be a full-fledged rebuttal of Huberman's thorough podcast but more to provide food for thought and consideration when thinking about the arguments he presented. The more knowledgeable you are on the subject, the better you will be able to maintain your performance under any conditions!


By Jason Rulo 25 Oct, 2019
Hmm, I think I've heard this stuff from someone before?? LOL I figured I'd link this here because it's some great information! http://www.220triathlon.com/training/swim/cold-water-swimming-how-to-acclimatise-for-an-extreme-triathlon-or-late-season-swimming/13096.html?fbclid=IwAR1TY6_RKhkyyMisLuTWdbCZd5Q1kRSxrZoD4NWN3teqWCKenG7scdNSnfM
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On the BROCR Supercast we discuss the current world of OCR (Obstacle Course Racing), the people in it, and hot topics of the week. The BROCR Supercast is a no frills dive into the mud for the die hard athletes that are the OCR community. 9/23/19- This week's episode= It’s getting Cold in here- so put on all your clothes WRONG! Join Jacob and Leah as they speak with Jason Rulo- the inventor of the Neptune Thermoregulation System, and expert in cold weather prep! Headed to Tahoe this weekend? Or perhaps the upcoming Sweden Ultra or World’s Toughest Mudder? You won’t want to miss this episode to learn all about what you can do to prepare for the cold and ensure you finish your race as intended! Find the podcast on Google Podcast here: https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy85MzIzZjgwL3BvZGNhc3QvcnNz&episode=NjM0N2E3MDUtOTM0Yy02NzVkLTM1ZGUtOTJhZTFlZmY2YTBh
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When the Neptune Thermoregulation System made it's debut at the 2016 World's Toughest Mudder it marked a new age of temperature regulating clothing. Until that time nearly all of the clothing that provided external assistance in thermoregulation was outerwear in the form of a jacket, sweater type long sleeved shirt, or a down jacket/vest. The Neptune base-layer brought in a new type of product and still the only waterproof option. Wearing temperature assisting clothing close to the skin allows for a lot more flexible clothing options by selecting more traditional apparel to wear over it if necessary. Companies love to use technology to address this issue...even if "high tech" may not be the best approach. Sony has recently developed a new product called the Reon Pocket through their crowdfunding site. This product claims it can lower your body temperature 23 degrees F or raise it by 14 degrees F. This of course isn't actually true. Dropping your actual body temp by more than a few degrees puts you on the road to hypothermia and is really no fun at all. On the opposite end, you would not be able raise your body temperature much over 100 degree F before triggering a heat related illness response. They aren't painting the entire picture. Probably a better way to describe the effect of the Reon Pocket is that it lowers/ raises the SKIN temperature AT THE SITE OF THE DEVICE. The Neptune will actually produce AT LEAST similar results but it utilizes a much more low tech and more reliable method... Why? because I can never seem to find a charging port out in the woods or on a race course when I get that dreaded low battery warning! The method of application is another topic. However, given the fact that the Neptune shirt can actually hold up to six body warmers or even six Reon Pocket devices and the fact they are around the core only serves to increase the benefit. I will caution users that the more insulation you put over a warming device the more localized heat will be retained. At localized temperatures over about 115 degrees F you can burn the skin. I am guessing Sony limited the heat output of the device to help prevent this. However, I hypothesize the unit could get hotter than the 115 degrees F unless it has it's own "governor" if you will to prevent it from continueing to produce heat above a certain measure temperature. This is actually why we recommend our customers place the body warmers in the pouches during EVERY use even when when they will not be getting wet. I actually also question the cooling claims as well given the fact that in order to use the Reon Pocket you must wear the undershirt. Wearing a shirt under a shirt automatically makes you warmer because it both limits airflow around the skin as well as providing another layer in which to trap air thereby making the environment inside your shirt warmer. The Reon Pocket now has to overcome this in order to make you cooler. One might argue that simply wearing a lighter shirt and no undershirt might be a better choice. Bottom line, I believe thermoregulatory clothing is here to stay. Heck you can even go further than base layer clothing if you are looking for a heating or cooling effect. There are even cooling bras for women as well as underwear for men . Consumers really need to look into some of these options when they are shopping for solutions. That being said, potential customers do need to beware of ridiculous claims (see the Eddie Bauer claim in the pic below where it's impossible for there to be less heat loss in arms than that of the core in the non Evertherm jacket). Just know there are options out there. If you have questions about these products feel free to contact me. I am happy to help in any way I can. Godspeed and happy trails!
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